Goerz Berlin Lens Serial Numbers



The serial number is 140390. Does anyone know. The following is a collection of serial numbers for large format lens manufacturers. Goerz, and Ross are long., serial number-year. Jul 30, 2011 Does anyone have a list of C.P. Goerz Berlin serial numbers? I have searched the net, but only found the numbers from the. Lens Type: Telephoto attachment. Variable separation. For 3 - 8x magnification. Rack and pinion adjustment. Serial Number: 186905.

The following is a collection of serial numbers for large format lens manufacturers. For the most part, the information has been culled from Wilkinson, Glanfield and Wrights' magisterial Lens Collector's Vade Mecum, a data base available on CD-rom. Other sources of information include web-pages and anonymous information passed down to me through others.

Goerz Berlin Lens Serial Numbers

There is a real absence of information on large format lenses. Of the contemporary makers, only Schneider has made a great effort to provide information, the other lens makers have been less forthcoming. However Rodenstock serial numbers, the other major European manufacturer, have been posted by Kerry Thalman. There are a few web-pages, both official and unofficial, for other three manufacturers, Congo, Nikon, (Unofficial and Official) and Fuji,(also here). However, serial numbers are, to my knowledge, entirely lacking.

Zeiss no longer makes large format lenses, and consequently has little interest or incentive to provide this information. Goerz, and Ross are long gone, and Voigtländer exists only in name. Taylor, Taylor & Hobson is also gone, although its one time subsidiary, Cooke, has recently returned to the fold, and is now making a 4x5 portrait lens. In any case, none of these companies provides any sort of information regarding the lenses they once made. This page is a modest attempt to provide one form of information, serial number-year correspondences.

Caveat: While I would like to make this collection as accurate as possible, I cannot make any claims as to the accuracy of any of the information. If you find something which you find of questionable validity, please do not hesitate to contact me. Or, if you have any information on large format lens serial numbers, for the manufactures list above, or any other, kindly forward them to me, and I will attempt to incorporate them.

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From: Wilkinson, M, and C Glanfield. 2001. A Lens Collector's Vade Mecum, CD-rom Version 3F. Edited by A. N. Wright. Cornwall, UK: David Matthews Associates. Pages 65-66, Chapter 12


1912

2,700,000

250,000

3,200,000

1935
1920

3,750,000

500,000

4,250,000

1937
1925

4,850,000

750,000

5,400,000

1939
1927

6,000,000

950,000

6,200,000

1948
1929

6,500,000

1,150,000

7,000,000

1950
1931

7,700,000

1,800,000

8,500,000

1952
1933

From: http://www.sci.fi/~animato/lumiere/lumiere.html

450000
500000
600000
750000
850000
950000
1000000
1150000
1500000
1800000
2250000
2700000
3200000
5400000

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Goerz American Optical Company

From Eddie Bolsetzian (former Goerz Tech.) provided by Michael Buchmeier, on the Large Format Home Page, More on classic lenses.

70001-1409351902-1903
150000-1901701903-1905
200941-2242671906-1908
223775-2266301908-1909
310001-3157341911-1914
315735-320000 1914-1918
751240-756909 1927-1937
7553001934
756910-7657301937-1945
765730-771199 1945-1948
771200-780169 1948-1954
791500 ~1955

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Ross

From: Wilkinson, M, and C Glanfield. ibid, Pages 87-88, Chapter 11

1840
86,000
1918
1850
95,000
1921
1860
100,000
1924
1870
105,000
1925
1875
110,000
1927
1880
115,000
1930
1885-1890
120,000
1931
1890-1895
125,000
1933
1911
140,000
1939
1918
200,000
1947
1921
213,000
1946-7
1924
250,000
1960
1925

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Taylor, Taylor & Hobson

From: Wilkinson, M, and C Glanfield. ibid, Page 71, Chapter 13

1001895
5,0001900
19,5001914
71,0001918
117,xxx1926-7
250,0001939
303,xxx1944
300,xxx1947
688,03x1965


Voigtländer

From: Wilkinson, M, and C Glanfield. ibid, Pages 6-9, Chapter 14
see also: http://members.aol.com/dcolucci/sn.htm

05/1840 First Petzval Portrait produced
1796-184?, Marked 'Voigtländer & Sohn in Wien'
Year
Year
4033139,108
1917
5000142,853
1918
10,000144,419
1919
27,449154,426
1920
30,000160,008
1921
31,000172,136
1922
32,000194,086
1923
34,000216,948
1924
36,000227,929
1925
38,000 - 39496248,505
1926
40,000279,710
1927
41,911365,562
1928
43,685537,338
1929
45,431671,174
1933
46,454803,220
1934
47,7711,026,690
1935
49,0842,000,000
1937
54,1682,718,530
1942
54,8962,700,000
1945
65,6913,000,000
1947
68,1933,220,000
1951
70,6823,300,500
1952
72,6383,461,400
1953
75,4793,600,000
1954
79,2883,731,000
1955
83,4774,001,000
1956
88,0574,303,000
1957
97,9994,514,000
1958
101,6494,802,000
1959
105,7785,033,000
1960
110,3475,473,000
1961
113,5695,900,000
1962
118,634 - 125,9756,219,000
1963
126,0016,423,000
1964
132,7266,664,222
1965
137,6829,999,999-10,000,150
1971

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Berlin

Goerz Berlin Lens Serial Numbers Identification

From: Wilkinson, M, and C Glanfield. ibid, Pages 99-101, Chapter 17

Carl Zeiss Jena Serial Numbers
See also: http://home.sprynet.com/~stspring/Zeiss%20Ikon.html

Serial NumberSerial Number
Year
173,418-200,520903,100-908,150
1928
208,473-249,350919,794-1,016,885
1929
249,886-252,739922,488-1,239,697
1930
282,800-284,5001,239,699-1,365,582
1931
285,200-288,1001,364,483-1,389,279
1932
289,087-298,1571,436,671-1,456,003
1933
298,215-322,7481,500,474-1,590,000
1934
322,799-351,6111,615,764-1,752,303
1935
375,194-419,8231,674,882-1,942,806
1936
433,273-438,3611,930,150-2,219,775
1937
422,899-498,0062,267,991-2,527,984
1938
561,270-578,2972,527,999-2,651,211
1939
631,500-578,2972,652,000-c2,678,000
1940
631,500-648,5002,678,326-2,790,346
1941
666,790-703,1982,800,000- ?
1942
722,196-798,251

Goerz Berlin Lens Serial Numbers

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Carl Zeiss Jena, East Germany

1945-1949
3,200,000-3,470,000
1949-1952
1952-1955
4,000,000-5,000,000
1955-1958
1958-1961
6,000,000-6,000,0001961-1964
7,000,000-8,000,0001964-1967
8,000,000-9,000,0001967-1970
9,000,000-10,000,0001970-1975


Carl Zeiss (Opton), Oberkochen, West Germany.

10,000-500,0001946-1951
500,000-1,100,0001951-1953
1,100,000-2,600,0001953-1959
2,600,000-3,000,0001959-1961
3,000,000-4,000,0001961-1965
4,000,000-5,000,0001965-1969
5,000,000-6,000,0001969-1971
6,000,000-7.300,0001971-1975
Goerz Berlin Lens Serial Numbers

C.P. Goerz Berlin Dopp-Anastigmaat
Serie III Dagor.


This is one of the most celebrated lens design ever. More than one hundred years after its introduction it is still a very usable lens. It was in 1982 that a mathematician Emil von Hoegh, 27 years old, proposed to Zeiss this double anastigmat consisting of two triplets symmetrically arranged around the f stop. Zeiss was not interested, maybe because two years earlier they had launched their own anastigmat. So Emil took it to the also very young firm Goerz in Berlin. Only four years old, Goerz was producing a Rapid Rectilinear lens called Lynkeioskop, one of the best RR versions. That was the beginning of a huge success. By 1895 some 30.000 had been already sold. The name Dagor was adopted only in 1904 and the design was licensed to almost every lens maker ever since.
It is a convertible lens. That means one can use only one cell placed behind the iris. In that case the combined foci is multiplied by 1,73, but as a trade off there is a significant loss in luminosity.
Most of the above information I researched on 'A history of the photographic lens' by Rudolf Kingslake, Academic Press Inc. ISBN 0-12-408640-3. It is an excellent source for understanding the genealogy of most of the lenses ever produced and the problems associated to lens construction.
If you want something online: download the 'A Lens Collector Vade Mecum' it is only 15,99 USD and an invaluable source of information. Go to: Lens Vade Mecum It has more than 700 pages with thousands of lenses description, pictures and diagrams.
This Dagor, is from 1911. I bought it in a shoe box together with a Voigtlander Orthoscop from 1858, a Tessar also from 1911 and a Rodenstock Rapid Aplanat #2 from 1910/20. Also some parts of rollerblind shutters and lens elements, that I could not identify, were in the pack. The origin was Santos, a harbor city, 60 Km from Sao Paulo. I tried to trace it back, tried to know to whom in belonged, but the seller, having an antique shop there, could not remember how it all arrived to his hands.
These figures indicating aperture are not the familiar series we are used to see in 35 mm cameras. Goerz used a special scale. In the chart below we can see the equivalents to the system using 4 - 5.6 - 8 - 11 - 16 - 22 - 32 - 45....
The 4,5 (that is not in the chart) means 6.8. In the lens ring it is marked 1:6,8 but as the scale shows it as 4,5 I started to wonder if the cells would have been mounted in a barrel afterwards. But note in the picture below that the serial number is the same engraved on the barrel and on the cells.
So f6,8 or 1:6,8 is the lager aperture for this lens. The following figures, even in this Goerz scale, are very close to the regular series of f stops.
The next 3 pictures are from the Photo Club de Paris magazine in 1899. The name Dagor was not used yet. It was referred as Double Anastigmat Goerz. If you want an explanation of what problem the Anastigmats solved, go to my page about the Ross Protar VIIa
Some contemporaneous ads from the other side of the Atlantic...
Adversing in Photominiature April 1899
Adversing in Photominiature December 1909
Adversing in Photominiature Feb 1900
The following reproductions from Goerz catalogs, and a lot more from other lens/camera makers, you can find at Camera Eccentric website. Excellent online source.
These are both from the 1913 Goerz catalog.
The three above from the 1940 catalog
The next picture is a zoom into Felipe s left eye. You can compare with the whole picture made in a 4x5 negative by clicking the thumbnail below. The film was Tri-X shot as 320 ASA, aperture was equivalent to f16, developed 8 minutes in 510 Pyro at 23 Celsius. It gives an idea of Dagors capability in rendering fine details.
But if you want to check a serious experience that definitely prove it, go to:
Lawrence Panoramic Camera Project.
You will see a Dagor 19 inches there, and the result one can still reach with a lens from 1905.


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